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	<title>Comments on: Plugs: Raccoons and other Mutants</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[We (my fellow musicians and I) have been talking about this for years, ever since the first Mirage: Is learning something note for note, then replicating it (as in the oral Blues tradition FE) the same as taking a sample and putting it into a track?

 Could we discuss this here Victor? Is there a discussion? Most musicians my (and yours I think) age would say NO. I still don&#039;t know myself, though I do it on an almost daily basis.

One thing I DO know though that really bugs me is the lifting/appropriating of things that were created in a certain context, and maybe only had value (or a &quot;right&quot; value??) in that context..and then splattered all over something that had nothing to do with the original. An example from the non musical world that comes to mind is the Joker symbol from SW Native American culture being used to sell Rancho Deluxe Burritos at the local junk food chain outlet..though OF COURSE OF COURSE there&#039;s great post mo irony there the joker and all..but yow..

So I know you lifted that riddim playing..and in FahnkyDahnky, it seems appropriate..as a cataloged expression..it fit in the track..propelled it..you, as a musician knew it would etc..but there is a big discussion here..and this would be a fine place to have it, no?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We (my fellow musicians and I) have been talking about this for years, ever since the first Mirage: Is learning something note for note, then replicating it (as in the oral Blues tradition FE) the same as taking a sample and putting it into a track?</p>
<p> Could we discuss this here Victor? Is there a discussion? Most musicians my (and yours I think) age would say NO. I still don&#8217;t know myself, though I do it on an almost daily basis.</p>
<p>One thing I DO know though that really bugs me is the lifting/appropriating of things that were created in a certain context, and maybe only had value (or a &#8220;right&#8221; value??) in that context..and then splattered all over something that had nothing to do with the original. An example from the non musical world that comes to mind is the Joker symbol from SW Native American culture being used to sell Rancho Deluxe Burritos at the local junk food chain outlet..though OF COURSE OF COURSE there&#8217;s great post mo irony there the joker and all..but yow..</p>
<p>So I know you lifted that riddim playing..and in FahnkyDahnky, it seems appropriate..as a cataloged expression..it fit in the track..propelled it..you, as a musician knew it would etc..but there is a big discussion here..and this would be a fine place to have it, no?</p>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[probably not, because I close down comments after a short period to avoid the spam bots that come around once a month.

There have been some interesting discussions on exactly this on a board I admin:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ccmixter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=1&amp;showtopic=2697&quot;&gt;http://ccmixter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=1&amp;showtopic=2697&lt;/a&gt;

(I&#039;m both &#039;victor&#039; and &#039;admin&#039; in the discussion)

I&#039;m on the road with sporatic net access for the next week but feel free to make an account and fire up the discussion, I&#039;ll be happy to participate when I&#039;m online.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably not, because I close down comments after a short period to avoid the spam bots that come around once a month.</p>
<p>There have been some interesting discussions on exactly this on a board I admin:</p>
<p><a href="http://ccmixter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=1&#038;showtopic=2697">http://ccmixter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=1&#038;showtopic=2697</a></p>
<p>(I&#8217;m both &#8216;victor&#8217; and &#8216;admin&#8217; in the discussion)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the road with sporatic net access for the next week but feel free to make an account and fire up the discussion, I&#8217;ll be happy to participate when I&#8217;m online.</p>
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